10 vs 25. Why one or the other?

Someone asked me a while back to discuss the hellish Blizz decision of forcing people into 10 or 25. So I started thinking about it and came to the following conclusion(s)

Some encounters are much easier with only 10 bodies than with 25 in the room. Advantage: 10
Some encounters are easier with greater class/role spread and diversity. Advantage: 25

It’s far easier to get less people organized and ready to raid. Advantage: 10
Larger raiding rosters allows for more variability in the roles and specs available for use. Advantage: 25

Loot drops on 10 man while the same iLvl, are fewer per person in ratio than in 25s. Advantage: 25
So, is that the deciding factor here…simply put, more items per person makes 25s greater than 10s?!?

No, it’s not that simple, we all know that. We are seeing gravitation to smaller and smaller guilds and it’s not surprising. Anyone who raided end game content during Vanilla knows full well the pains of trying to keep 40 people ready to roll and moving in the same direction. 25s are certainly easier, but not simple to be sure. 10s have the difficulty of being hit or miss based on one person not showing up for one reason or another. There is an added element to this equation in regards to human social psyche. Gamers tend to be techies. Developers, systems folks, designers are not usually social creatures. They tend to have less developed social skills, sometimes bordering on the spectrum of various learning and social disabilities. No, gamers are not Rain Man…but the average gamer tends to have more in common with that character than the average non-gamer. Smaller social circles are easier for the average player to manage and certainly easier to organize for raiding. This is not based on any scientific study, merely observations and lessons based on commonalities within the gaming community.

Quick math..To field a 10, 25, or 40 man raid you will need the following actual players available (NOT TOONS…PLAYERS):
10 :: 13-15
25 :: 30-35
40 :: 50-55

What does this mean? Well, you need the additional warm bodies based on encounter mechanics, player availability due to real life interference, in essence: fill ins.

So, to 10 or 25 man raid?? Well, it certainly is a personal question and a personal answer. The shift on the WoW community is apparent…they have chosen 10s. Even larger guilds who could feasibly field 25, have chosen instead to run 2, 3, even 4 10 man raids concurrently. Anyone complaining about the gaming shift and blaming Blizzard should stop and look in the mirror. Blame yourself and your fellow players. Blizzard analyzed the community and responded in kind to our demand. Smaller, leaner, sleeker.

Personally, I like 15 and 20 man raids. The old days of ZG and UBRS (et al) were some of the best experiences in my opinion. I would love to see more of those open up, but I doubt we will ever see those raid sizes again.

Do you have a preference: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, or 40? If so, why?


2 thoughts on “10 vs 25. Why one or the other?

  1. Lyraat says:

    25-mans for me. I like getting the guild together. Feels more epic. 10-mans feel like glorified 5-mans. Never ran 40-mans.

    • 40 did feel very very epic. I have to say the 25s of BC felt more larger than life than do the current ones for me. The current 25s feel like glorified 10s to me! 🙂

      Again, I really like 15 – 20. 20 man ZG and AQ were my favorites by a large margin. Followed by 40 man content. I think Blizz has seen since Kara though that the data points to 10 mans by far as the most successful raiding content.

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